Derek Thompson

There are a lot of conceptual tensions in this book that I think are very important. Scarcity versus abundance being one of them.

And you've really dilated on this right now within the housing market, this idea that in many places, people who call themselves liberals and progressives, and even sometimes people that have lawn signs in their front yards that say kindness is everything, nonetheless sit in houses zoned for single families and

And you've really dilated on this right now within the housing market, this idea that in many places, people who call themselves liberals and progressives, and even sometimes people that have lawn signs in their front yards that say kindness is everything, nonetheless sit in houses zoned for single families and

resist and often sue to block the development of affordable housing units that would cast a shadow over their own house. And so a part of this project is redefining liberalism away from the liberalism of the clenched fist toward a liberalism that recognizes that growth itself can be a good. Another really critical tension here that really echoes throughout the book in almost every chapter

resist and often sue to block the development of affordable housing units that would cast a shadow over their own house. And so a part of this project is redefining liberalism away from the liberalism of the clenched fist toward a liberalism that recognizes that growth itself can be a good. Another really critical tension here that really echoes throughout the book in almost every chapter

is the tension between process versus outcomes in government. I think maybe the best way to make this tension crystal clear to people is to see it through a prism that you call everything bagel liberalism. Why don't you do here for everything bagel liberalism what I asked you to do at the top of the show for supply side liberalism? What is this idea? Where did it emerge from?

is the tension between process versus outcomes in government. I think maybe the best way to make this tension crystal clear to people is to see it through a prism that you call everything bagel liberalism. Why don't you do here for everything bagel liberalism what I asked you to do at the top of the show for supply side liberalism? What is this idea? Where did it emerge from?

And why is it important?

And why is it important?

Right.

Right.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The chapters in this book are housing, energy, government, science, and technology. And I do think that one of the strengths of the final product is the rhyming of themes. One wouldn't necessarily think that the problems in construction would be similar to the problems in, say, biomedical breakthroughs.

The chapters in this book are housing, energy, government, science, and technology. And I do think that one of the strengths of the final product is the rhyming of themes. One wouldn't necessarily think that the problems in construction would be similar to the problems in, say, biomedical breakthroughs.

But in fact, we have empirical evidence showing that productivity in construction is flatlining or down, at the same time that we have evidence that that productivity in biomedical science is flat or down. The same way that you just pointed out that an abundance, unfortunately, of paperwork is slowing down the construction of affordable housing in places like California.

But in fact, we have empirical evidence showing that productivity in construction is flatlining or down, at the same time that we have evidence that that productivity in biomedical science is flat or down. The same way that you just pointed out that an abundance, unfortunately, of paperwork is slowing down the construction of affordable housing in places like California.

Well, if you look at American science, by some surveys, scientists say they spend between 30 and 40% of their time filling out paperwork, either filing for grants or checking the boxes after those grants are filed or won.

Well, if you look at American science, by some surveys, scientists say they spend between 30 and 40% of their time filling out paperwork, either filing for grants or checking the boxes after those grants are filed or won.

And so in many cases, the problems that governance has and the problems that liberalism has developed rhyme across housing and energy and building and government and science and technology itself.