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lists of consultants who are providing private care, right?

That's only in the public system.

It's perfectly open to those consultants or anybody else if they want to set up private systems.

If they think that there's a significant demand for it, if they think they can make this viable, then by all means, go and do it.

But the reason that they won't and can't is primarily to do with the fact that the state pays the insurance.

And this raises really fundamental questions.

And I don't know the answer to these questions.

But is the state, which means you and me and all your listeners, paying the insurance for public-only contracted consultants who are providing private care?

Who's ensuring that private care?

Because as you know, and as everybody knows, sadly, terribly, the cost of things going wrong in maternity care

is absolutely enormous, you know, both as a personal cost but also as a financial cost.

I read Fintan O'Toole's column, and like everybody else, you know, the standout word was posh push.

Now, Fintan, you've already gone on for the last five minutes about safety of care, and you're saying that people have taken out of context posh push, and I'm saying to you...

You've taken out of context safety of care.

As I said yesterday, I'm 100% sure Sean Daly did not intend that safety of care to be taken out of context.

And obviously he has to answer as to what exactly he meant by that.

With regard to the doctors on public only contracts, they actually had no choice.

It was that or nothing or be unemployed.

That hasn't been mentioned either.

And the other issue, which I meant yesterday, how come obstetric care in Ireland will be the only specialty in the whole cohort of medicine that you don't have the choice of going privately?