Detective Lauren Gonzalez
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first heard Jan 2025
last heard Jan 2025
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This is something Socorro's telling me. I've never heard about Bertha before. This is just her speculating to me that perhaps Augustine and Bertha may have been together and got killed because of it.
I was never able to get in touch with Lupe and then reaching back out to Socorro, trying to check in and set something like that up. I've just never been able to reach her again.
We're just focused on solving his murder is what we're worried about.
If you were doing cocaine, buying cocaine, selling cocaine, or any illegal substance like that in Odessa in the 80s, that's not something you're going to be charged with today. We're concerned with the murder investigation and finding out who killed Marshall, why,
People I really want to speak with about this investigation are going to be individuals that were working and living in Odessa in early 1982, named Pedro Valverde, Simon Loya, Jesus Manuel Vasquez, Ramiro Morales, Jose Francisco Banuelo Castilla.
Also, if there is anyone out there named Bertha or who might have known a woman who went by Bertha in Odessa in 1982, that's a line of inquiry that they would like to explore as well.
They had sex. Debra fell asleep, but woke up and told Charles she'd had a nightmare about the time her grandmother died in her arms. Sometime afterward, she put on his robe and walked out into the living room. And he said he figured she was maybe going to go use the bathroom, but he fell asleep. And he woke up because he heard her screaming his name, Charles.
So he went into the living room and opened the door, the front door, and she was there in the doorway bleeding. And she fell to the floor. She'd still had the overnight bag strapped onto her shoulder. And he realized later she must have gone outside to get her bag out of the car because they kind of briefly talked about this.
And he's like, oh, no, we can just get it in the morning, something like that. So he knew the bag was in the car. So it's not like she was leaving the apartment with the bag. She had gone to the car to get the bag and bring it back into the apartment because the intention was to spend the night there.
They spoke with him because his apartment was on the second floor and his balcony patio faced south. So he reported that he had heard screaming and went out on his balcony and saw the victim engaged in a struggle with an unidentified man. And he told police that they were just outside of the gate of Charles' building. And James shouted at the assailant.
And at that time, the assailant fled eastbound through a gate that led to the fair green apartments next door. He saw Deborah stagger through the apartment building gate. And so he quickly got dressed and went downstairs to try to pursue the attacker, but he could not find him.
He described the suspect as a white male with brown chin-length hair, approximately six feet tall, slim build, wearing a white t-shirt and blue jeans. He said he didn't get a look at the man's face and he did not see a vehicle leaving the area either.
And he described the man as white, about 5'11", 150 pounds, skinny build with long sideburns and brown hair, wearing a light blue button-down shirt with a tail hanging out of his blue pants. And he saw this man walking towards the apartment where the stabbing had occurred.
Several minutes after this man walked by, he'd heard a woman scream, but he didn't go to see where the scream came from, and instead he went to check his mailbox.
There was a pool of blood on the concrete sidewalk at the threshold of the north gate of the apartment building. And looking at photos, it appeared that at least two people had walked through the pool of blood. So there were three bloody right barefoot prints that led from the pool of blood down the sidewalk towards apartment 51.
And that blood trail towards the apartment is accompanied by dozens of blood drops. And that indicated that the person was actively bleeding while walking to the apartment. And there are blood drips on the front door of apartment 51 where the victim made entry. Then there's numerous pools of blood on the carpet of the living room in the apartment.
And so this blood trail was most likely made by Deborah after she was stabbed.
Now the shoe impressions were not documented very well, and there's no report indicating if the shoe impressions were made by someone other than the killer, like a witness, a paramedic, or officer. And it's unknown where that blood trail terminates because there's just very few photographs that were taken of the blood trail. And they did not document any measurements made.
So it does make me wonder if those prints were made by someone they didn't suspect, like, again, like a paramedic, a police officer, a witness or something. And that's why they didn't document them.
He said that his friend Charles had called him and said something was wrong with Debra and she was covered in blood and to come over right away. And he believed Debra was either divorced or separated from her husband and that she lived in Monahans, Texas with her two children. Monahans is about a 30-minute drive west of Odessa.
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