Deviant Ollam

It sounds silly, but I love that you said it, not me. But it's true. There's even a talk I made about this phenomenon. I call it Eyes of a Thief. And corporate audiences kind of like that one because you walk them through just galleries of images and videos. And I say, well, here's what you see. Now here's what I see.

It sounds silly, but I love that you said it, not me. But it's true. There's even a talk I made about this phenomenon. I call it Eyes of a Thief. And corporate audiences kind of like that one because you walk them through just galleries of images and videos. And I say, well, here's what you see. Now here's what I see.

And I zoom in and I say, here's this exploit, that exploit, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And my wife is very used to the phenomenon of us walking down a city street and she'll be talking, she'll turn. And I'm two steps back because I paused to pivot and take one picture of this building or that car or this fixture or this device. And I'm, oh, that's going in the slides.

And I zoom in and I say, here's this exploit, that exploit, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And my wife is very used to the phenomenon of us walking down a city street and she'll be talking, she'll turn. And I'm two steps back because I paused to pivot and take one picture of this building or that car or this fixture or this device. And I'm, oh, that's going in the slides.

Yeah, I think the real thing there that you hit on perfectly is the guardedness of knowledge in the old world of the trade of locksmithing. If you're doing a physical penetration test, the value isn't in the success of the tester. It's in the deliverable. It's in the report, the knowledge that they will give you.

Yeah, I think the real thing there that you hit on perfectly is the guardedness of knowledge in the old world of the trade of locksmithing. If you're doing a physical penetration test, the value isn't in the success of the tester. It's in the deliverable. It's in the report, the knowledge that they will give you.

And giving out that knowledge, physical pen testers, yes, we are many times locksmiths, but much like Penn and Teller are magicians, but part of their whole shtick over the years has been showing the audience how they did the trick. And there are some magicians that think that ruins it, that it takes all the shine and polish off of it and the magic is gone.

And giving out that knowledge, physical pen testers, yes, we are many times locksmiths, but much like Penn and Teller are magicians, but part of their whole shtick over the years has been showing the audience how they did the trick. And there are some magicians that think that ruins it, that it takes all the shine and polish off of it and the magic is gone.

But I think that showing the execution, if it's elegant and well done and impressive, it doesn't take away, in fact, it enhances the audience's appreciation for, wow, I would not have been, like, even knowing how it works, I would take five years to learn how to do that trick properly. Same thing with us. I can show you how it works, but it's not really taking away

But I think that showing the execution, if it's elegant and well done and impressive, it doesn't take away, in fact, it enhances the audience's appreciation for, wow, I would not have been, like, even knowing how it works, I would take five years to learn how to do that trick properly. Same thing with us. I can show you how it works, but it's not really taking away

money out of my pocket or opportunity out of my colleague's portfolio if people know how my job functions. They're not all going out immediately trying to do this job. There's, as you say, that sort of comprehensive knowledge of being able to walk through a space and instantly look and recognize every little detail that comes with years of experience. So I'm not surprised at your friend's mother.

money out of my pocket or opportunity out of my colleague's portfolio if people know how my job functions. They're not all going out immediately trying to do this job. There's, as you say, that sort of comprehensive knowledge of being able to walk through a space and instantly look and recognize every little detail that comes with years of experience. So I'm not surprised at your friend's mother.

I'm not even disappointed. For the longest time, that was just part. I was deeply ingrained in the trade. And why aren't locks, even now as knowledge is opening up, why aren't they getting into penetration testing? A lot of them, even with their knowledge as locksmiths, they can't quite do what we do. And they're frankly making far, it's a very different business model.

I'm not even disappointed. For the longest time, that was just part. I was deeply ingrained in the trade. And why aren't locks, even now as knowledge is opening up, why aren't they getting into penetration testing? A lot of them, even with their knowledge as locksmiths, they can't quite do what we do. And they're frankly making far, it's a very different business model.

They're making far too much money.

They're making far too much money.

We've never not gotten in. You're always going to get in. 100% success. 100% success in terms of entering the building. Yes, every building we've ever seen, we've been able to enter, sometimes quickly, sometimes it takes a while. The question is, are we detected? Is there a response? How competent is that response? Can we talk our way out of it?

We've never not gotten in. You're always going to get in. 100% success. 100% success in terms of entering the building. Yes, every building we've ever seen, we've been able to enter, sometimes quickly, sometimes it takes a while. The question is, are we detected? Is there a response? How competent is that response? Can we talk our way out of it?

I've interfaced with guards and had a good story, had an excuse for being there. Okay. Thank you for your time. All right. Sorry. Well, next time have an escort when you're in this area. I said, okay. Guards.

I've interfaced with guards and had a good story, had an excuse for being there. Okay. Thank you for your time. All right. Sorry. Well, next time have an escort when you're in this area. I said, okay. Guards.