Diana Nyad

And by the way, she was also abused by that same coach, which we didn't know then.

We found out years later.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a heavy story.

Yeah.

Just like in running, sometimes you'll have a great miler who is a good miler, and then maybe he or she isn't a great miler, but definitely has endurance chops.

So after years of trying to make Olympic teams and win NCAA titles, you know, they bump up to a longer distance where they may not be as fast as the great milers of the world, but they can keep up a pace that even the great milers can't keep up.

So that was definitely my story, and it's true of many swimmers who maybe aren't quite Olympic level, but they can keep a very good pace for a long, long time that even the sprinters can't do.

So that's our talent.

Yeah, I suppose.

I mean, you know, I am, you know, kind of a, you know, what's the word when you're outward?

An extrovert.

I got no introversion.

As a matter of fact, I got to work on that.

I really got to work on that.

But, you know, but I felt it all my life.

And believe me, compared to you, compared to Annette Bening, you know, Jodie Foster, some people that I've had a chance to work with and be with, you know, I'm a very small, small public figure, but I've always enjoyed I'm a people person.

And so if I get on the Johnny Carson show, it's not just him.

And by the way, at least of that era, he was the very best.