Diana Pasulka

They wanted to know what they saw in the sky. They also wanted to know what kinds of things happened to these people. Like, were they injured? And a lot of times they were. And so that started to get me to like re-look at what I was doing. And I started to look at it from their perspective. And I was like, oh my gosh, you know, I think that these things are probably real. And that was shocking.

They wanted to know what they saw in the sky. They also wanted to know what kinds of things happened to these people. Like, were they injured? And a lot of times they were. And so that started to get me to like re-look at what I was doing. And I started to look at it from their perspective. And I was like, oh my gosh, you know, I think that these things are probably real. And that was shocking.

They wanted to know what they saw in the sky. They also wanted to know what kinds of things happened to these people. Like, were they injured? And a lot of times they were. And so that started to get me to like re-look at what I was doing. And I started to look at it from their perspective. And I was like, oh my gosh, you know, I think that these things are probably real. And that was shocking.

So I was shocked for a whole year. What I did was, thankfully, I had a friend, Jeff Kripal at Rice University. And I shared all my stuff with him. And he was shocked too, by the way.

So I was shocked for a whole year. What I did was, thankfully, I had a friend, Jeff Kripal at Rice University. And I shared all my stuff with him. And he was shocked too, by the way.

So I was shocked for a whole year. What I did was, thankfully, I had a friend, Jeff Kripal at Rice University. And I shared all my stuff with him. And he was shocked too, by the way.

Okay, so the turning point was when I met a person who I have to call Tyler because he's anonymous. One of these people that when I look back now, I recognize worked for one of these SAPs most likely. I can't prove it, but it looks like it. So he worked for— Can you describe SAP for the audience, please?

Okay, so the turning point was when I met a person who I have to call Tyler because he's anonymous. One of these people that when I look back now, I recognize worked for one of these SAPs most likely. I can't prove it, but it looks like it. So he worked for— Can you describe SAP for the audience, please?

Okay, so the turning point was when I met a person who I have to call Tyler because he's anonymous. One of these people that when I look back now, I recognize worked for one of these SAPs most likely. I can't prove it, but it looks like it. So he worked for— Can you describe SAP for the audience, please?

It's called a special access program in the military, and he worked for an unacknowledged SAP company. And he described his work as a hobby. This was in 2013. He described his work as a hobby. He had lots of clearances from different agencies, Department of Defense and like NASA, like a lot. And he worked as a mission controller and he also worked as this, he was like a space shuttle.

It's called a special access program in the military, and he worked for an unacknowledged SAP company. And he described his work as a hobby. This was in 2013. He described his work as a hobby. He had lots of clearances from different agencies, Department of Defense and like NASA, like a lot. And he worked as a mission controller and he also worked as this, he was like a space shuttle.

It's called a special access program in the military, and he worked for an unacknowledged SAP company. And he described his work as a hobby. This was in 2013. He described his work as a hobby. He had lots of clearances from different agencies, Department of Defense and like NASA, like a lot. And he worked as a mission controller and he also worked as this, he was like a space shuttle.

He worked in the space shuttle program for his duration until it ended. He was always at a launch of the space shuttle. He also did scientific stuff. So he was this character that I didn't quite understand when I first met him. And he really wanted to know the data. So he wanted to know, he really was interested in any work that I would do at the Vatican.

He worked in the space shuttle program for his duration until it ended. He was always at a launch of the space shuttle. He also did scientific stuff. So he was this character that I didn't quite understand when I first met him. And he really wanted to know the data. So he wanted to know, he really was interested in any work that I would do at the Vatican.

He worked in the space shuttle program for his duration until it ended. He was always at a launch of the space shuttle. He also did scientific stuff. So he was this character that I didn't quite understand when I first met him. And he really wanted to know the data. So he wanted to know, he really was interested in any work that I would do at the Vatican.

And he was also interested in any work that I did that had to do with consciousness. Because he said that in his field, he said, consciousness is the next step. That's where we are studying. And that's why we're interested in your work. And so, again, I was really slow to work with him because I was concerned. I was concerned about what it would mean for my life. It might change my life.

And he was also interested in any work that I did that had to do with consciousness. Because he said that in his field, he said, consciousness is the next step. That's where we are studying. And that's why we're interested in your work. And so, again, I was really slow to work with him because I was concerned. I was concerned about what it would mean for my life. It might change my life.

And he was also interested in any work that I did that had to do with consciousness. Because he said that in his field, he said, consciousness is the next step. That's where we are studying. And that's why we're interested in your work. And so, again, I was really slow to work with him because I was concerned. I was concerned about what it would mean for my life. It might change my life.

And it did. It did change my life. So that's what changed is that I started to look at the Catholic tradition again from a new lens. So I had looked at like Teresa of Avila, this nun who lived in the 1500s. And she had an experience with one of these seraphs, or an angel, right? But she didn't call it an angel at first.

And it did. It did change my life. So that's what changed is that I started to look at the Catholic tradition again from a new lens. So I had looked at like Teresa of Avila, this nun who lived in the 1500s. And she had an experience with one of these seraphs, or an angel, right? But she didn't call it an angel at first.