Dimitry Toukhcher

It's like a big magnitude order different.

And so how can you make an argument that if you have a guy who's 6'4 and a guy that's 5'6, that the 5'6 guy is taller?

You can say whatever you want, but you can see the numbers, and the numbers don't lie.

The numbers are the facts.

Well, the pro-Palestine movement was really started in the 1940s, between the 40s and 60s, because there was no, you know, there was no idea of an autonomous Palestinian state, right?

If you just look at the

history and nothing by the way i'm not saying it shouldn't happen or should happen i think there should be a palestinian state nothing wrong with that like you know there's now a formed identity there's a culture there are people that um can have their own identity own that identity i've got palestinian folks that work in my company in the in the gulf region and they're great people they're like legitimately good people i've got guys that i've had israelis in my company great people they're just people like they just want to live their lives you know

But the Palestinian identity, back when the country was formed, did not exist.

Gaza was Egypt.

It was annexed by Egypt.

It was occupied by Egypt.

And the West Bank was Transjordan, which was now the country of Jordan.

And in 1970...

Well, I mean, it happened a little before that 68 war, but about 1970, both Egypt and Transjordan abdicated their, let's say, ownership over those territories.

So Transjordan renounced everybody's passports in the West Bank and they became Jordan.

Why was it called Transjordan?

Because it was Transjordan River from the river, right?

So the Jordanians, right, they received their country when in 1948, you had...

Two groups of refugees in the Middle East.

And like significant groups of refugees.