Dimitry Toukhcher

And in the 1980s, the biggest objective of the US government is anti-communism.

This is still Cold War times.

And so if I want to undermine communism, I want to undermine the tenets of communism.

So we have something coming in.

Let's say it's the gay pride movement.

And we as Americans or Canadians or Western Europeans, wherever we are, we might say, OK, well, I'm pro that.

You know what?

People can live their own life.

And they're not bothering us.

We don't need to get involved.

Let people do what they want to do.

Perfect.

Now, if I'm the head of the CIA, I might say, how would I undermine the gay rights movement?

I know.

I'm going to push it so far that it's going to split the Democratic base.

So what I'm going to do is I'm going to take the, you know, you're free to love whoever you love.

And I'm going to throw a parade and I'm going to have guys dancing around with, you know, half naked, whatever, in leather straps.

And they're going to dance in the streets.

And then, you know, people are going to say, well, I'm not into this.

Let's forget all about that.