DJ Shipley

Like, what am I supposed to do?

I've avoided getting my picture taken for 20 years.

I've avoided conversations with normal people.

I don't have a Rolodex because I've never opened myself up to anybody who wasn't inside of that 12-man team.

I don't have anybody.

I don't know the CEO of Apple or Google.

I don't know any of these people.

There's nothing for me to do except contract.

It's the exact same thing.

You're with the same people, the same deployment schedules, same routine, and you just chip away until you're too old to do it anymore, and then you just fizzle out.

Exactly.

Even the guys who do leave, the majority of them, they're either miserable or they transition to a job that's so similar to the military.

It's like they're still in.

Contracting, agency work, Blackwater, triple canopy, stuff like that.

You're basically doing a very similar job.

Just you get paid a little bit more or the guys just come right back in.

We've had guys get out and go to Goldman Sachs and try to reinvent themselves.

They make it six months, three years.

Nope.

Right back in.