Doctor Mike

The enlightenment, the fruit of the enlightenment is persuasion too.

I mean, before the enlightenment, it was coercion.

It was might makes right.

And the whole idea of the enlightenment is I bring my ideas and you bring your ideas.

And then my job is to persuade you.

And if I'm successful, we both win because you now have a better way of thinking.

And if you're successful, you persuade me and we both walk away a little bit better than we were before.

But you can't do that unless in a spirit of openness and love, you go to a place where people with whom you disagree and listen to what they have to say, even if you think it's completely wrong.

That's actually profoundly scientific.

We lost that.

Well, I mean, humans aren't so good at that.

Just in general.

It's not that America has uniquely become ill-suited to those conversations.

On the contrary, there are places all over the world where it's never been the case.

God bless America, by the way.

I mean, your family bailed on a country, on a dictatorial society, on a

that didn't allow any sort of conversation about different points of view.

And thank God that we actually have this tomorrow.

Oh, I know, but think about this, Mike.

I mean, you can say the Secretary of Health and Human Services in the United States, Bobby Kennedy,