Dominic Sandbrook

And Nando says to Chalcochima, you know, Atahualpa wants you to come with us to Cajamarca.

And Chalcochima says, no, no, what?

I'm not going with you.

I haven't had any orders to say I should go with you.

They have a massive argument all night.

The Spanish think, well, if he doesn't, if he attacks us...

We're pretty much doomed because he's got 30,000 men and we've got sort of, you know, 20 men or something.

But the mad thing is when the dawn breaks, Chalcochima returns and says, yeah, actually, I've been thinking about it.

I will come with you to Kaimaka.

Fair enough.

Do you know, I actually, I omitted all mention of these people.

The wanker.

For precisely this reason, because I thought you would get too much.

I don't find it funny at all.

Schoolboyish pleasure from the existence of these people.

No, I mean, and indeed in this podcast, we shouldn't overlook it at all.

Because the wankers will be back, won't they?

Yeah, well, they will.

I mean, I was hoping they won't, but clearly you're going to bring them back in.

It's all about detail, Dominic.