Dominic Sandbrook

They're pledged to poverty.

I suppose so.

And, of course, the bigwigs get a lot more.

Fernando de Soto gets double.

Francisco Pizarro gets seven times what a horseman gets, and he gets Atuelpa's solid gold throne, which is very expensive.

So Almagro says to Pizarro, I think the fair thing to do would be to split this equally between us, between your men and my men.

And Pizarro says, I don't know, because...

We kind of did all the dirty work by arriving and catching Atuelpa and you came late.

So I think what would be best is for you to get just a little token amount.

And this is what happens.

He gives him a few trinkets, a few crumbs from his table.

Remind me what the balance of power is between them.

So Amagro has turned up with about 150 men.

Pizarro has a few more, actually.

Pizarro has something like 167, 168.

Because it's kind of amazing in that situation that they don't turn on each other.

Yes.

Well, if you're looking for them to turn on each other, Tom, I've got great news for you.

There'll be a lot of turning on each other to come.

I mean, if I was a Magro.