Dominic Sandbrook

And hopefully in the long run, he thinks maybe he could turn this to his advantage.

Yeah, I don't think he hates the Spanish.

I think he's completely confused by them.

So let's move on a few weeks to January 1533.

A treasure is now arriving in Cajamarca.

So that's jugs, plates, bowls, all these things made of gold.

And the Spanish start breaking them up when they arrive so they can fit more and more in the room.

They want to cram it into the room.

Atahualpa says to them, what are you doing?

Why are you doing that?

I will give you so much gold, you'll be sated with it.

But some of the Spanish say, you know, a few weeks have gone by, mate.

We haven't seen as much gold as we hoped.

So Atahualpa says, well, I can tell you two places in particular where you'll get gold.

And they're two of the most sacred temples in the empire.

So one of them is the Shrine and Oracle of Pachacamac, which is near the coast, near what's now Lima.

And the other is the Sun Temple of Coricancha in Cusco.

I think both of these you mentioned, Tom, in your excellent Christopher Plummer reading.

Mm-hmm.

And the reason Atahualpa wants to surrender these two places in particular goes back to the point about the Civil War.