Dominic Sandbrook

I know what people in the Holland household will be drinking.

Those Armenian reds.

I'm quite tempted to...

Quite tempted to try that.

Yeah, of course you are.

I know your methods.

I know you bought a massive bottle of wine in California purely because it had Richard III's head on it or something.

Big wine place now, Chateau Moussard, Massaya, very big, pungent, heavy reds, but very nice, I would say.

Weirdly produced in Hezbollah-controlled territory.

Yeah.

Have you ever had wine that was kept in an amphora?

Because I have.

There's a winery in the Alentejo in Portugal called Esperal.

And there, you go and do a tasting, and they have wine that's kept in steel, that's been kept in oak barrels, obviously, so it tastes a little bit more oaky.

And then they've got wine that's been kept in a clay amphora.

The different flavours that it gives you.

And actually, it does taste different.

It's got a very clay-y and actually not unpleasant taste at all.

And that's what most, I guess, most people in human history would have tasted when they drank wine.

The taste of the clay amphora.