Dominic Sandbrook

They have a massive argument all night.

The Spanish think, well, if he doesn't, if he attacks us...

We're pretty much doomed because he's got 30,000 men and we've got sort of, you know, 20 men or something.

But the mad thing is when the dawn breaks, Chalcochima returns and says, yeah, actually, I've been thinking about it.

I will come with you to Kaimaka.

Fair enough.

Do you know, I actually, I omitted all mention of these people.

The wanker.

For precisely this reason, because I thought you would get too much.

I don't find it funny at all.

Schoolboyish pleasure from the existence of these people.

No, I mean, and indeed in this podcast, we shouldn't overlook it at all.

Because the wankers will be back, won't they?

Yeah, well, they will.

I mean, I was hoping they won't, but clearly you're going to bring them back in.

It's all about detail, Dominic.

It's about the granular level.

So anyway, why has Chalcochima... He hasn't just done it because of the presence of the Juanca.

He's also going with them, I think, because he's being completely thrown by the Spaniards' presence, by their very existence.

He doesn't know what to do.