Dominic Sandbrook

And, you know, if you buy a very expensive bottle of wine, you don't expect it to have a screw cap.

You expect it to have a Portuguese cork.

To be fair, anyone who drinks wine has had a moment like that with a cork where basically something's gone hideously wrong and you can't get it out and you're just shaming yourself in front of your guests.

But...

Well, since the Romans.

Yeah, we talked about the Gallic enthusiasm for wine.

They've been producing it through the Roman period.

Bordeaux, when the English controlled Bordeaux in the Middle Ages.

Yeah.

Dad is producing claret for English tables.

The conviviality.

There's a dark side to peeps that I don't endorse.

Anyway, off the exchange with Sir Jay Cutler and Mr Grant to the Royal Oak Tavern in Lombard Street, where Broom the poet was, a merry and witty man, I believe, if he be not a little conceited.

And here drank a sort of French wine called Ho' Brian that hath a good and most particular taste that I never met with.

Now, this is so interesting, isn't it?

Because what's he call it?

Ho Brian.

Yeah, his approach to pronouncing foreign languages is very much mine.

So it's actually...

which was the first... This is so interesting.