Dominic Sramaty

And they have owned Ottawa this series.

Kyle, the last pod, you mentioned how successful they were on the penalty kill and how they completely figured out Ottawa's power play.

That hasn't changed, and it didn't change on Thursday night with a really ugly five-on-three.

But the other thing is, Kyle, when Ottawa had the extra man at the end of the game trying to score the tying goal –

They were completely outmanned and outgunned.

They dumped the puck in.

It was like one on three or one on four.

It's crazy.

Carolina did whatever they wanted to defensively.

Somebody texted me and they said, I refer to the 2014 semifinal game of the Olympics between Canada and the U.S.,

where Canada won 1-0, and I said that they could have played for three days and the U.S.

wasn't going to score, somebody who listens to the pod compared it to that game.

They said that was one of the best defensive games they ever saw someone play, and they said that Carolina knew what Ottawa was going to do, and they couldn't be broken down.

They just stopped them however they wanted to.

You know, it was interesting.

Green in the postgame was asked about Kachok and Stutzla, and he called them average.

But, you know, we did the Stutzla piece before the game, and...

Green talks like that to some of those guys.

You know, Stutzla talked about how they have a lot of conversations like that.

He also talked about how when he first got there, he had a pretty serious conversation with Shabbat about Shabbat's game.