Dominic

Right, so it would be like the one guy who's like, I want to watch the first Linux action show ever. Well, he can wait like an extra 10 seconds.

Yeah, it's probably on YouTube somewhere pirated.

Yeah, it's probably on YouTube somewhere pirated.

I watched it this morning myself. Yeah, there's a whole series, though, so.

I watched it this morning myself. Yeah, there's a whole series, though, so.

I read it as RAID. Yeah. What is with the cool spellings?

I read it as RAID. Yeah. What is with the cool spellings?

Yeah, you know, I'm kind of on the old man side with this one, right? In fact, I just want to mention, Chris, I don't know if you've heard of Xamarin. Um, no, you mean as a Marion? Exactly. Exactly. Um, that was a wild ride. And now it's, I think it's called Maui because somebody apparently got hammered and went to see Moana. I love that's the reason I'm going with that.

Yeah, you know, I'm kind of on the old man side with this one, right? In fact, I just want to mention, Chris, I don't know if you've heard of Xamarin. Um, no, you mean as a Marion? Exactly. Exactly. Um, that was a wild ride. And now it's, I think it's called Maui because somebody apparently got hammered and went to see Moana. I love that's the reason I'm going with that.

Even like when, before Xamarin was part of Microsoft, like I didn't make myself too many friends. I got pretty mad at one of the founders there and got a nasty email argument with him, but it was just bad. Particularly Xamarin forms because they kept, They kept changing things and breaking things. And then they're like, oh, Microsoft owns us. That's not the way to do it anymore.

Even like when, before Xamarin was part of Microsoft, like I didn't make myself too many friends. I got pretty mad at one of the founders there and got a nasty email argument with him, but it was just bad. Particularly Xamarin forms because they kept, They kept changing things and breaking things. And then they're like, oh, Microsoft owns us. That's not the way to do it anymore.

Here's Xamarin, blah, blah, blah. And then there's Universal. Then I forgot the name of the interstitial one. But now they're like, it's Maui, and it's different. But it's not. But it is. Too bad. Also, if you're on the JavaScript side, how many people are using HipsterJS or EmberJS these days? Slightly less of a complete failure. People like me who loved Angular.

Here's Xamarin, blah, blah, blah. And then there's Universal. Then I forgot the name of the interstitial one. But now they're like, it's Maui, and it's different. But it's not. But it is. Too bad. Also, if you're on the JavaScript side, how many people are using HipsterJS or EmberJS these days? Slightly less of a complete failure. People like me who loved Angular.

Yeah, not a lot of Angular going around. React kind of drowned everybody. And I still think React is bad, and I don't like it.

Yeah, not a lot of Angular going around. React kind of drowned everybody. And I still think React is bad, and I don't like it.

Yeah, the thing is, though, right, so I think there's a couple ways to look at this. On the JavaScript side, I actually think that is the most wasteful one to keep changing. I really do. When I say I mean front-end JavaScript, right? Regular JavaScript, not Deno or Node or whatever. I'm getting in so much trouble. You know, I've been doing something in just vanilla HTML, CSS, and JavaScript.

Yeah, the thing is, though, right, so I think there's a couple ways to look at this. On the JavaScript side, I actually think that is the most wasteful one to keep changing. I really do. When I say I mean front-end JavaScript, right? Regular JavaScript, not Deno or Node or whatever. I'm getting in so much trouble. You know, I've been doing something in just vanilla HTML, CSS, and JavaScript.

It's like an add-on to Alice. And... It's so amazing not to have NPM, just like to refuse to use it and not to deal with all that crap. No webpacker, no frameworks. It's a much more straightforward, pleasurable development experience and a hell of a lot easier to debug. Now, am I backing myself into a complexity corner where I don't get a lot of stuff for free? Probably, right?

It's like an add-on to Alice. And... It's so amazing not to have NPM, just like to refuse to use it and not to deal with all that crap. No webpacker, no frameworks. It's a much more straightforward, pleasurable development experience and a hell of a lot easier to debug. Now, am I backing myself into a complexity corner where I don't get a lot of stuff for free? Probably, right?

But with HTML components now and with ES, are we up to ES 6? 6, right? It doesn't really matter. The latest JavaScript standard that's supported by Chrome. It's really... For instance, I like Angular. I get a lot of the stuff I used to get with Angular out of the box. And the stuff I don't, I can basically just recreate on my own with a simple helper using the new JavaScript APIs.