Dominique Bayens

They must be really hard memories to revisit.

Like, maybe just bring yourself a little... Like there, about there, yeah.

But after hearing me give an interview on the radio about the podcast, he got in touch and said he was ready to talk.

So here is the extended chat I had with Joe about his brother Tony, the one of the Nanup Four who's been the hardest to get a sense of.

It's a Friday afternoon when I drive up to Perth through those forests of the southwest.

Joe's just knocked off work and he's wearing a black cap, metal-framed reading glasses and high-vis.

I'm struck by how similar he looks to Tony.

They could almost be twins.

He's got the same olive skin, round face and piercing eyes.

When Joe smiles, it's that same boyish smile I've seen in photos of Tony.

I can tell he's pretty nervous to be here.

Let's just to start off.

So we've got you in your own words.

Do you just want to introduce yourself and tell me what your connection is to Tony?

Joe starts telling me about his and Tony's childhood in 2J, a farming town about an hour and a half drive northeast of Perth, on the edge of WA's Wheatbelt.

Tony was the second oldest of four siblings and his family ran a fruit and veg shop and Joe and Tony would help unload produce from trucks, serve customers and carry their groceries to the car.

How would you describe Tony's personality as a kid?

This makes me think of Tony as an adult, taking on handyman jobs and working at the nursery where he sold Jodie that bronze horse statue.

To move into Perth?

And what about Tony?