Don Lemon

you know, who are in charge of some of these lawsuits that the Civil Rights Department of the Civil Rights Union, the Department of Justice is bringing.

I'm not sure they, you know, I don't know if the online part matters to them, but I wonder if they look at these cases and go, this is ridiculous.

Look, I understand what you're saying.

My case notwithstanding, or I guess withstanding, is that the government can put whatever they want to.

They can tell the grand jury whatever they want to because it's done in secrecy, even if it's lies.

And they don't know what to believe.

I think you're right.

Look, I just wonder, though, at the end of the day, Scott, how much damage is done to our country.

I think there's a lot.

I think a lot.

I mean, not just with that, but also in media, which we will talk about.

I want to talk to you about that.

But I think a lot of damage will be done.

I think it's going to take a long time to...

to, if we can ever get it back to where it was, back to some semblance of normalcy.

It is dispiriting.

Let's talk about the media, okay, because we know that full transparency, people know you left CBS News on your own.

You're like, I can't deal with this.

You know, I want to talk to you about it as much as you can talk about it.

but just an overall sense of where you think the media is now and how dangerous this moment is that we are in, if you think it is dangerous.