Don Marshall

The torch is going to be glowing.

Anybody seeing him isn't going to see that the torch is invisible.

They'll see a torch dancing through the air.

Yeah, just like Bilbo's sword.

So the clothes are invisible.

the plates of food and bottles of wine that Bilbo would have had in, you know, the, the Elvin halls during the time in Mirkwood.

Yes.

In Mirkwood, while the dwarves were in prison, he was trying to figure out how to get them out.

The keys that he held in his hand would have been invisible, but they weren't inaudible.

Remember he was worried that the sound would give him away.

So any object that's on him or in his hands is going to be invisible unless it has its own light.

Interesting.

That seems to be what we're saying here.

It seems to be what Christopher is concluding, and it feels like a reasonable conclusion.

I think that's fairly reasonable, yeah.

But it is so interesting that that's the marker.

Like, if it has its own light source, then and only then... It's interesting that Tolkien...

has so many objects now that i'm thinking about it so many objects that give off their own light that would be relevant to yeah the one ring i mean even bilbo with the arkenstone he had to we don't see that explicitly mentioned but he hides the arkenstone right presumably because it has a glow of its own you know one other thing that that this makes me think about is the nazgul

They're invisible, but they're invisible for a different reason.

They're just stretched so thin their corporeal existence is essentially gone.