Don Van Natta Jr.

Yeah, the competing agendas when there is punishment, for instance, on Spygate. That was Roger Goodell's first moment where he was tested to dole out punishment for what was a pretty big deal. It's spying on your opponent's coaches in the game and using that to win. It was a cheating apparatus that Seth Wickersham and I wrote in 2015. It was far greater than anybody knew back in 2007.

Yeah, the competing agendas when there is punishment, for instance, on Spygate. That was Roger Goodell's first moment where he was tested to dole out punishment for what was a pretty big deal. It's spying on your opponent's coaches in the game and using that to win. It was a cheating apparatus that Seth Wickersham and I wrote in 2015. It was far greater than anybody knew back in 2007.

Yeah, the competing agendas when there is punishment, for instance, on Spygate. That was Roger Goodell's first moment where he was tested to dole out punishment for what was a pretty big deal. It's spying on your opponent's coaches in the game and using that to win. It was a cheating apparatus that Seth Wickersham and I wrote in 2015. It was far greater than anybody knew back in 2007.

How did Roger handle it? He sent Jeff Pash, his general counsel, to Foxborough where there were videotapes, there was evidence, and Jeff Pash smashed them under his feet.

How did Roger handle it? He sent Jeff Pash, his general counsel, to Foxborough where there were videotapes, there was evidence, and Jeff Pash smashed them under his feet.

How did Roger handle it? He sent Jeff Pash, his general counsel, to Foxborough where there were videotapes, there was evidence, and Jeff Pash smashed them under his feet.

Underfoot, under his wingtips. I mean, you know, talk about a cover-up. This was a smash-up of real evidence. And Roger... according to the other owners who were watching all this, slapped Robert Kraft very gently on the hand with the punishment that he doled out. And then the question is why? Robert Kraft helped Roger Goodell get his job.

Underfoot, under his wingtips. I mean, you know, talk about a cover-up. This was a smash-up of real evidence. And Roger... according to the other owners who were watching all this, slapped Robert Kraft very gently on the hand with the punishment that he doled out. And then the question is why? Robert Kraft helped Roger Goodell get his job.

Underfoot, under his wingtips. I mean, you know, talk about a cover-up. This was a smash-up of real evidence. And Roger... according to the other owners who were watching all this, slapped Robert Kraft very gently on the hand with the punishment that he doled out. And then the question is why? Robert Kraft helped Roger Goodell get his job.

Roger went up against Jeff Pash and 10 other people for the commissioner job. It's a job Roger wanted desperately. Kraft was his patron. And so these billionaires, they're highly competitive. They felt the Patriots should have gotten much more punishment than they got. remembered that.

Roger went up against Jeff Pash and 10 other people for the commissioner job. It's a job Roger wanted desperately. Kraft was his patron. And so these billionaires, they're highly competitive. They felt the Patriots should have gotten much more punishment than they got. remembered that.

Roger went up against Jeff Pash and 10 other people for the commissioner job. It's a job Roger wanted desperately. Kraft was his patron. And so these billionaires, they're highly competitive. They felt the Patriots should have gotten much more punishment than they got. remembered that.

So when Tom Brady and deflated footballs come around six or seven years later, we're wondering, well, why is the NFL so upset about that? Well, you had to rewind back to the way Spygate punishment was handled, and those owners wanted now, finally, there to be the punishment, the just punishment that should have happened with Spygate to happen on deflategate, and Tom Brady paid the price for that.

So when Tom Brady and deflated footballs come around six or seven years later, we're wondering, well, why is the NFL so upset about that? Well, you had to rewind back to the way Spygate punishment was handled, and those owners wanted now, finally, there to be the punishment, the just punishment that should have happened with Spygate to happen on deflategate, and Tom Brady paid the price for that.

So when Tom Brady and deflated footballs come around six or seven years later, we're wondering, well, why is the NFL so upset about that? Well, you had to rewind back to the way Spygate punishment was handled, and those owners wanted now, finally, there to be the punishment, the just punishment that should have happened with Spygate to happen on deflategate, and Tom Brady paid the price for that.

But these are very, look, they're highly aggressive, highly stubborn players billionaires used to getting their way. And so they're not going to always get along. They're not going to like how Goodell handles one team versus the other if they feel he's playing favorites. So that in the back room is where a lot of the tension comes.

But these are very, look, they're highly aggressive, highly stubborn players billionaires used to getting their way. And so they're not going to always get along. They're not going to like how Goodell handles one team versus the other if they feel he's playing favorites. So that in the back room is where a lot of the tension comes.

But these are very, look, they're highly aggressive, highly stubborn players billionaires used to getting their way. And so they're not going to always get along. They're not going to like how Goodell handles one team versus the other if they feel he's playing favorites. So that in the back room is where a lot of the tension comes.

There's tension about who deserves to get in the Hall of Fame faster. Oh, I want to get to this.

There's tension about who deserves to get in the Hall of Fame faster. Oh, I want to get to this.