Don Wildman

Their scripture.

Yeah, their scripture.

Have they been uniquely good in their relations with native tribes?

No.

Oh, God.

Utah becomes a state in 1896, and that's late when you consider that California became one in 1850.

So almost 40 years earlier, there's a difference between that.

But that's because of all these things that had to be legislated and worked out and nailed down before we're going to give you the state that you're insisting on having.

Before you do that, we're going to have to integrate you into the American way of life, which they do.

How does the legacy of this rebellion – and now we have completely defined it as an ongoing, many-faceted aspect of things –

the idea of their desert kingdom?

How does that all square now?

Yeah, huge patriotism.

If there's ever a place, I think, as patriotic, it's the state of Utah.

It's the Mormons.

The irony is unbelievable.

Every religion has its schism, you know, the division within it, and then the reunification of it.

It seems like that's inevitable for all religions.

For Mormonism, it's with the country itself, right?

That's the schism.