Don Wildman

Those are the ingredients that I have here on my list.

Does that kind of cover it?

For centuries before, this has been discussed.

It's the monophysites and the duo, this whole conversation and really controversy about whether Christ actually was brought to the earth as an entity or he's a man who becomes a god.

It's this whole real thing.

And boy, did it matter a lot more to people then than it does now, that whole conversation.

As far as the ecstatic dancing, which will become such a big story of this, am I correct to relate it to Pentecostal behavior that we see, the kind of worshiping that is done mostly in the American South?

One of the big themes of this conversation is how this early form of Shakerism runs so counter to how we think of it today.

You know, we think of it as so stripped down and simple and quiet and just as the Quakers were, you know, or are versus how they were perceived in their earlier days.

That shift is such an interesting pivot for this group.

The amazing thing to me is that we're here in the early 19th century, even the 18th century, and we're talking about a female Christ that's quite revolutionary.

She's in prison for 30 days or so for disrupting a service.

And this is where she has that premonition about celibacy.

Am I correct?

scars from the great awakening that in the opens up again and that helps to explain some of the violence she experienced during her time why is i mean we call the great waking first and second were people aware of what was happening in terms of how much activity theologically was going on in those days were they crafting this era or was this something that was entitled later

And to do this in the Puritan society of New England is extraordinary, a real threat to everything that they hold dear and true.

But also it makes sense, too, because, you know, we're talking about the birth of individualism in this country in the sense that I'm going to break away from the Orthodox group and find my own way, which so much informs the American experience.

Very few people walking around today think of this as having its roots in religion, but indeed it does.

That's what the late 17th into the 1800s, that second great awakening is really about.

And that even, you know, moves into mercantilism, the making of money.