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But after this...

passes, there's an interesting shift there as well.

The nation of Islam becomes increasingly fractured after his death, but that's probably in opposition or at least parallel with the rise of the successes of Martin Luther King's movement, the civil rights movement, right?

Yes.

And his message comes outside the traditional American black church, which Martin Luther King is building his movement from, of course.

That's right.

That's such an interesting parallel.

I'll wrap up with this question.

In your accomplished career, Malcolm X still lives for you, doesn't he?

There you go.

I hope that the audience has taken away from this what a larger world he is even attached to.

I mean, there's such a strong through line to all of this and such organized ideas behind black nationalism that he really sits on top of and interprets for a larger world.

Thank you so much for this conversation.

Professor Clarence Lang is the Susan Welch Dean of the College of the Liberal Arts at Penn State University, professor of American Studies, historian of black history and social movements, author of a number of publications I mentioned.

I'll read a few titles.

Grassroots at the Gateway, Class Politics and Black Freedom Struggle in St.

Louis, 1936 to 75, and Black America in the Shadow of the 60s, Notes on the Civil Rights Movement, Neoliberalism and Politics.

I understand you're working on a new book about Malcolm X, is that correct?

I look forward to seeing it.

Thank you so much.