Don Wildman

I mean, it says a lot about the man.

His success, you know, in the end, of course, results in the creation of the nation itself.

And what more to say?

They named the capital for him and a very big monument.

OK, we'll come back after this break and we'll continue with our rankings.

Jonathan, about the greatness of military leadership, I wonder, do you think the greatness of military leadership and vision only comes out of wartime experience?

I mean, we're in an era when we're trying not to fight wars.

Are we still going to produce excellent generals?

But that's my cynical approach.

That's a great segue to our last great man, our last great general on this list, U.S.

Grant.

So much to say, but like a Nathaniel Green in that he comes from that quartermaster mentality.

Early in the war, he is so much a part of the supply chain and so forth.

He is able to apply that to his battlefield expertise and then take it to another level in a way that surprised everyone, right?

I think, as you say, we could spend an hour and a half on these topics, but the Vicksburg campaign, a classic of military maneuvering, enormous story.

The Overland campaign, relentless using forces.

At that point, he's got them on his heels, but it's just...

It takes a certain kind of personality to do what Grant was able to do to close the deal on the Civil War.

And that's where he's blamed for being a sort of meat grinder.

Yeah, I mean, many have accused Grant of being too vicious in his ability to spend his troops and others relentlessly.