Donna Nayler

I look at life a little bit differently.

So I try to take the positive out of things.

Yeah.

Sounds like it's made you more empathetic.

I'm much more empathetic, but I'm also a bit more of a hard ass as well.

When I went back into hairdressing, I went and did a leadership course to try and change, rewire my brain because, you know, staff were coming up and, you know, I'm sick today or my dog's ill or I had no empathy for that side of life.

Right.

And I needed to soften.

I needed to soften again.

When you've seen what you've seen.

Yeah, I didn't care about, you know, I'm sick, hard not.

Eat your breakfast.

read my book if it doesn't make you feel sick then you could start looking into it I mean anyone's welcome to reach out to me to ask questions I mean maybe I do glamorize it a little bit I mean it is hard work um it's not for the faint-hearted it's something that will stay with you forever but if you like helping people like getting your hands dirty for lack of a better word um then go for it but it's not it's not for everyone

Yeah.