Donnie

No, I'm saying at that point, it's close.

And if he said Stanley Cup, then we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

Do you think most of our listeners, who are Penguins fans and also, I would think, proud Americans, do you think they would say, if they did both as a hockey player, that universally our audience would say, Stanley Cup over gold medal?

I don't think they would.

I don't think they would, man.

I do, actually.

I think the overwhelming majority would say Stanley Cup because that's something that happens every year and you know how hard it is to get one.

But this is harder.

Yes, that's what makes it harder because it happens more infrequently.

It's harder to get a gold medal than it is...

Is it harder to be on the winning team when your teammates are Nathan McKinnon and Conor McDavid or when they're lesser lights?

The U.S.

is an underdog in the tournament.

Was it easier for Jake Gensel to win a Stanley Cup with the Penguins or if he wins a gold medal with the United States this week?

I would still say easier.

No, probably easier with the U.S.

Easier?

They're only like a plus 175.

They're the second favorite, Pony.

Did the Penguins go into the 15-16 or the 16-17 season that good of odds?