Doug Burgum

I mean, you come in and say, well, how many contracts and grants do we have and how many people are administering them? Hard to find out those numbers, but then you find out that just Interior Loan was managing 36,000 contracts and grants, and this was almost double just during the last four years during the Biden administration.

I mean, you come in and say, well, how many contracts and grants do we have and how many people are administering them? Hard to find out those numbers, but then you find out that just Interior Loan was managing 36,000 contracts and grants, and this was almost double just during the last four years during the Biden administration.

The amount of money that was flying out of the federal government between November 6th of last fall and January 20th of this year on a chart, on a graph is just, again, ridiculous. But then you say, well, then how many people are managing that? You have grants management in the private sector or contract management, but the ratios sometimes are off by a factor of five or more.

The amount of money that was flying out of the federal government between November 6th of last fall and January 20th of this year on a chart, on a graph is just, again, ridiculous. But then you say, well, then how many people are managing that? You have grants management in the private sector or contract management, but the ratios sometimes are off by a factor of five or more.

The number of HR people that may exist in some of these departments relative to the total number of folks. We might have one HR person for every 30 team members at the federal government. In the private sector, it'd be one for 200. So it's like we could be off by five or six in terms of what I'd call the bureaucratic overhead.

The number of HR people that may exist in some of these departments relative to the total number of folks. We might have one HR person for every 30 team members at the federal government. In the private sector, it'd be one for 200. So it's like we could be off by five or six in terms of what I'd call the bureaucratic overhead.

And when we take a look like today, when we're out at this national park and you meet these hardworking, dedicated people that are interfacing every day with our citizens doing their job, they also are dealing with the bureaucracy. We had good people trying to do the job, but they're dealing with the overhead that exists. And I think we can strip out a lot of that overhead.

And when we take a look like today, when we're out at this national park and you meet these hardworking, dedicated people that are interfacing every day with our citizens doing their job, they also are dealing with the bureaucracy. We had good people trying to do the job, but they're dealing with the overhead that exists. And I think we can strip out a lot of that overhead.

And it's never been cleaned out. State governments have to balance their budget. The federal government never has. So this is like a barn that's been filled up for 100 years and nothing has been thrown away. And we're going in that barn and we're taking everything out and put in the yard. And then we're deciding what's going to go back in. And the only thing that goes back in

And it's never been cleaned out. State governments have to balance their budget. The federal government never has. So this is like a barn that's been filled up for 100 years and nothing has been thrown away. And we're going in that barn and we're taking everything out and put in the yard. And then we're deciding what's going to go back in. And the only thing that goes back in

is stuff that actually adds value to the citizens. And that it also is stuff that is purposeful work for the people that are doing it. Because we don't need to be paying federal employees to be doing mind-numbing, soul-sucking, repetitive paperwork, literally paperwork, because we don't have the systems. Those folks, you know, there's 10 million jobs open in America.

is stuff that actually adds value to the citizens. And that it also is stuff that is purposeful work for the people that are doing it. Because we don't need to be paying federal employees to be doing mind-numbing, soul-sucking, repetitive paperwork, literally paperwork, because we don't have the systems. Those folks, you know, there's 10 million jobs open in America.

And if we can reduce the number of people working for the federal government, which the Biden administration increased that a lot. I mean, you saw the jobs report during this time, and, oh, jobs are up 200,000. Well, 150,000 of them might have been government jobs.

And if we can reduce the number of people working for the federal government, which the Biden administration increased that a lot. I mean, you saw the jobs report during this time, and, oh, jobs are up 200,000. Well, 150,000 of them might have been government jobs.

And so even if we just get back to where we were when President Trump left office, it would be a huge boost for the economy, and it would take a big burden off of the federal government, reduce the cost. I mean, we can save billions and billions of dollars, certainly in the interior, but I know in every department, every agency, we can do that just through common business sense decisions.

And so even if we just get back to where we were when President Trump left office, it would be a huge boost for the economy, and it would take a big burden off of the federal government, reduce the cost. I mean, we can save billions and billions of dollars, certainly in the interior, but I know in every department, every agency, we can do that just through common business sense decisions.

Well, it's great that you bring up the east or west, because we do have states in the east that have between zero and 2% that are public lands, but you get out west, Wyoming is over 40%, Utah over 60%, Nevada over 80% of federal land, Alaska, which is the size of California, plus Texas, plus Montana, plus New Mexico, over half of Alaska, public lands.

Well, it's great that you bring up the east or west, because we do have states in the east that have between zero and 2% that are public lands, but you get out west, Wyoming is over 40%, Utah over 60%, Nevada over 80% of federal land, Alaska, which is the size of California, plus Texas, plus Montana, plus New Mexico, over half of Alaska, public lands.

I mean, we have so much land, these 500 million acres, but out west, we got fast-growing metro areas like in Las Vegas and Clark County. You've got the whole population area in Utah that's booming between Ogden and Salt Lake. They're constrained by federal lands, and there's an opportunity with land swaps. We did one, President Trump believes in using these, resources widely.

I mean, we have so much land, these 500 million acres, but out west, we got fast-growing metro areas like in Las Vegas and Clark County. You've got the whole population area in Utah that's booming between Ogden and Salt Lake. They're constrained by federal lands, and there's an opportunity with land swaps. We did one, President Trump believes in using these, resources widely.