Doug Lesmerises

And Chuck, the reason I bring this up is like, I think when it happened, right, it's like, oh man, that's a tough loss, but you saw how good Miami was and what they went on to do.

But I kind of said at the time, man, I think this is going to come back around when we get to the NFL draft, because the reality is going to slap everybody in the face a little bit more about how good some of these players were.

So what's, what's, what's the word or phrase for you here, Chuck?

Yeah.

And it is.

I'll be curious if there's any kind of vibe that comes out of Indianapolis this week as like as people realize, man, like Orville Reese and kind of like Carnell Tate and and Sonny's like they start running through all these guys.

And then whether because it always is one of these things, Bill, where it's like it's the convergence of NFL media and college media.

And I do feel like sometimes the NFL media, because they're so locked in on the number one sport in the country.

Like, they don't know that much about college football.

They only know about college football as it pertains to producing draft prospects.

And I wonder if anybody, if Stephen A. Smith's going to be like, they have four of the top 12 draft prospects.

How do they not win it all?

Like, I am curious if that comes out this week at all, Landis.

Like, what's your word for it?

Landis just put you in your place coming in here with all your hot takes about Ohio State football.

I will say, Bill, when you said that, Dave, it reminds me a little bit.

This is kind of what Michigan was to some degree, because when Michigan won the national title, they sent a bunch of guys into the next NFL draft.

But then the group after that.

Last year was Mason Graham, Colston Loveland, Kenneth Grant as first-round picks, and Will Johnson as a high second-round pick.

That's kind of like Ohio State.