Doug Lesmerises

How is it not at the top, number two or whatever, right?

But is it part of that, well, could they have done it without him?

It is, and it's not like that.

There were like 15 engines to that 2024 National Championship, and it's not... I don't even know...

Because I think, like, we always talked about that then, like, to have that senior group of Ohio State players who stayed, but then also probably the two best players on the team were a true freshman and a sophomore transfer in Jeremiah Smith and Caleb Downs.

But then also they added the quarterback and also they added a running back, right?

But so...

I don't want to make it sound that like Will Howard wasn't hugely important, but he, he just didn't need to be Joe Burrow, even though like LSU was super important, like Joe Burrow, like it was just, you know, Jack Sawyer was so important.

And Mecca Buka was so important.

Trevor Henderson was so important.

And like, they had so many good players and JT to him.

Oh, that was so important.

You just needed somebody who didn't mess it up, fit in, led, played tough.

Made some key throws, but like he didn't have to be perfect, right?

Let's play this game briefly because why not?

Let's make Ohio State fans mad.

Like what if like that quarterbacks who would have been better than Will Howard?

This is pointless, but also it's an offseason football podcast.

If it was Cam Ward instead of Will Howard, would they have won the national title?

Yeah.