Doug Lesmerises

And he had been successful at a pretty darn good program like Kansas state, but then he came in and Buckeye himself like a maniac.

And now is an Ohio State legend, of course, because he won, but also because in a very short period of time, I think to both his teammates and his coaches and the fan base came to embody what it means to play football at Ohio State.

Like as much as you could for a one-year guy and like almost as much as Travion Henderson or Emeka Abuka or JT Tuimoloa or Jack Sawyer would embody it, which is ridiculous to think about when those guys did it for four years and he did it for one.

And that is an incredible compliment to Will Howard and Ohio State's ability to assimilate somebody very quickly.

That's a good comparison.

Okay.

Your five is Howard.

Your four is Judkins.

Who's your three?

Davis and Igbenosum.

He's my four.

Okay.

What do you think about IGB?

And this is so different than many other transfers that he played, he started at Ole Miss...

as a true freshman, and then came and started at Ohio State for three years.

So part of this is like, we're getting three years out of this guy.

You got Will Howard.

I'm sure that you had, you have IGB over Will Howard, for instance, over Quinn John Judkin.

The fact you got three years out of him instead of one must factor into your ranking.

Yeah.