Doug Lesmerises

You get great players and that's how you win.

And that at a place like Ohio State, I think you should be able to have lots of people who can do a good job as an assistant.

You're Ohio State.

People want to work here.

You should be able to get qualified people.

And I think it's on the head coach.

If you don't have somebody, there's no excuses for it because there's somebody there who would have taken the job.

It would have been good.

So that's like when the Arthur Smith hire, I don't think it has to be perfect, but it's just like get somebody competent.

But I will say my phrase would be, it means more than it used to.

And I do think as we flatten out the talent, as we talk constantly about winning in the margins, that I do think this kind of thing, but like you, you, we've talked a ton about how much Mike Shanahan and Brian Haynes as the coordinators met the Indiana, but they also aren't stocked with first round talent.

They have great players.

But to me, it's like sometimes when you have Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate and Sonny Stiles and Orville Reese and Caleb Downs, you just got to get out of the way a little bit and make sure you don't overthink.

And I think there are many coaches who could succeed that way.

And so the thing that I think about is nobody at Ohio State really knew Tim Walton all that well before he got here.

And he got here and he's awesome.

We thought Matt Patricia was not going to work.

He replaced the highest paid coordinator in the sport.

It felt like they were pulling Matt Patricia off the recycling pile.

And he was awesome.