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Doug Winiarski

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

So did her earliest English followers.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

But remember, the shakers are breaking apart families.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

So that is to say, when husbands and wives join the shakers, they have to dissolve their marriage, essentially.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

They don't get divorced.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

They just simply live together as separate brothers and sisters.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

But in situations where one but not both of a couple joins the shakers, that's where a lot of legal troubles come in.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

So there are a fair number of Shaker divorce cases, many of them are very acrimonious, in which, for example, a husband would join the Shakers and leave the wife behind and then take all of his family's assets with them.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

It results in a series of legal battles that result in some very stiff state laws.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

that target the shakers in which legislatures attempt to create avenues for women who have been abandoned by their husbands who have joined a celibate religious group like the shakers to deem back their legal rights that they wouldn't have otherwise as married women, rights over child custody, rights over control of property.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

And those laws directly attack the shakers.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

So the shakers are one of the few religious groups in the United States, including the more, and I

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

We could put the Mormons in that same area that experience legal action by state legislatures that directly targets their particular and peculiar faith practices.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

One of the things that happens after the American Revolution in the generations that follow in the early United States of the 19th century, as the United States expands by dispossessing Native Americans and urbanizes and industrializes, is that people feel certain atomization of their lives.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

They feel suddenly that the things that in the colonial era, that farm family is sort of falling apart.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

And so one of the ironies is that all of these white hot seekers who have stepped out of their inherited religious traditions and converted to shakerism suddenly find themselves in religious communities where what they really want most is to combine and unite and be associated with like-minded people.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

And they're very much willing to give up their personal freedoms to live in a tightly organized religious community.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

So the surfer community

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

is one of the big tropes in early 19th century American religious history.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

And we find it in all the utopian experiments that are going on at the same time.

American History Hit
Rise and Fall of the Shakers

The brook farms, the fruit lands, the foyerist phalanxes, right?