Douglas Robertson

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

I don't know if you ever watched these wild animal programs where you have a lion and a buffalo in the same picture, you know, and the buffalo, like he waits until the lion attacks him before he attacks the lion.

It's like he waits right to the last moment.

But whilst the lion is there, he just ignores him, you know.

And Dougal was very like that.

He never...

He's like, oh, there's a lion there.

I've got to deal with that.

He'd just say, oh, there's a lion over there.

If that lion comes over here, I'll just give him a butt and a head.

Dougal dealt with things when they slapped him in the face, basically.

And somebody with a character like that is the right man for the job because you'd never do it.

If you stopped to think, you would never do it.

And back in those days, it was so dangerous.

I mean, Sir Francis Chichester, he got a knighthood.

Sir Alec Rose got a knighthood.

These are people who sailed around the world alone, and they got knighthoods because they were brave.

Sir Robin Knox Johnson got a knighthood.

Dougal didn't get a knighthood.