Dr. Abud Bakri

Potentially.

There isn't good data showing that.

The debate may be like, hey, by boosting thymic function from growth hormone, are you increasing immunity and then immune surveillance of different tumors and therefore decreasing and then causing the scale?

There's a big debate of whether growth hormone is even beneficial when it comes to aging because growth hormone does grow certain tissues.

There's models where people are growth hormone deficient and live a lot longer.

and growth hormone is not positive when it comes to cardiometabolic perspective.

There's that whole discussion of what's better.

And then you get into antagonistic pleiotropy.

Is this something that's good in youth, but detrimental for longevity?

Or is it pro-longevity?

And that's the big debate in the longevity field, whatever that field is, of whether or not to use growth hormone.

So now growth hormones become very difficult to acquire through clinical prescriptions after the whole anabolic steroids act and Barry Bonds and all that stuff.

So people have now shifted to using secretagogues in lieu of growth hormone.

Also, growth hormone is very expensive.

Very expensive.

Yeah, like Pfizer's pens are in the thousands of dollars.

So if you're rich, you can afford to have that growth hormone habit.

But otherwise, a secretagogue costs less than $100.

It's not a strong shutdown like the testicular axis.

So it's kind of scary.