Dr. Alan O'Sullivan

And it was people like Constantine Gurdjieff that was giving us the inside track.

There was a lot of, you know, talk about burning bondholders and all this stuff.

But I found him to be a credible voice.

Also...

applied some research to what he was saying.

Very interesting, of course, but not afraid to give the unvarnished truth, as you would say.

So he's always been a lecturer.

So he did his PhD in finance in Trinity College, Dublin, maybe 25 years ago.

He was an adjunct professor of finance in Trinity and has been a visiting professor of finance in northern Colorado, where he is lecturing there.

So essentially, we get into the interview, we start talking about the emergence of populism, the emergence of populist type of politics.

Define populism.

Okay, so populism might be, if you look at the American situation, let's

Let's just stop immigration.

Let's stop the border.

Let's build a wall.

What is populism?

The American dream was social mobility.

You know, you work hard enough, follow the rules, you will make it up the chain.

You'll be better off than your parents.

Yes, but that has... And we've seen that in Ireland.