Dr. Alan O'Sullivan

I think we are stuck with the likes of that type of politics now because the genie's out of the bottle for whatever reasons, whether you support it or not.

their fundamental underlying mistrust of elites, mistrust of systems in the United States that have been built up over decades, and that is now going to be reversed quickly.

Does that essentially lead us to believe that liberal democracies, if you give them enough time, start to eat themselves?

Matt Gherkin is the chief geopolitical strategist with BCA Research.

He also wears another hat, Ivan, in BCA Research.

He's the U.S.

political strategist and he's also on the BCA leadership team.

It's right at the center at the moment, obviously.

Okay.

Geopolitical strategy was very quiet for a number of years because of this so-called peace dividend that we had, but that's all gone now.

Okay.

So we've got hot wars everywhere.

You could say the world is on fire as such.

Okay.

Matt frames it, his own background is interesting, okay?

He studied philosophy and all the greats, Plato, and he mentions many of these in the interviews, right?

talks about the one, the few, the many, and what is power, and what's the balance of power.

So we talk about unipolarity, multipolarity, and bipolarity, okay, where that is just the emergence of power struggles between large countries, and that's ongoing at the moment, obviously, with the multipolarity between maybe the US on one side, China on the other side.

Yeah, I mean, globalization worked for everyone in inverted commas for a long time until it didn't.

Okay, so the big surprise was that the likes of Trump didn't emerge, President Trump didn't emerge in America sooner.