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Dr. Alexander Wissner-Gross

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651 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

If you think back to circa 2000 or 2001, so about a quarter of a century ago, the U.S.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

Congress was sold on the National Nanotechnology Initiative on the premise that we'd have medical nanorobots

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

swimming through our bloodstream zapping cancer cells and yet we find ourselves quarter of a century later where as you say Peter cancer is well on its way to being solved without the medical nanorobots we didn't need the medical robots at all this is being done by basically retraining or retargeting our body's own immune systems and I I think that does raise or flag the question

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

What will, if anything, we need the medical nanorobots that Eric Drexler and others promised us?

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

What, if anything, will we need those for?

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

Or is it just a matter of reeducating our own existing biology to do more intelligent things without needing any robots in our bodies at all?

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

Alex, comments on this one?

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

I do think evolution in battery energy chemistry is really interesting.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

So the historic trend, if we put aside iron air for the moment and just focus on the bleeding edge chemistries, I think the statistic is something like a pretty sustained 8% year-over-year increase per constant dollar in battery energy densities for the bleeding edge chemistries.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

So in some sense, not in some sense, in a very real sense, there is a Moore's law for increasing the energy densities, while at the same time, we're seeing new chemistries or newish chemistries like iron-air that are radically reducing the cost for certain applications.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

Iron-air

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

isn't for every application.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

It seems unlikely we're going to see it get used, for example, for EVs anytime soon.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

Probably someone in the industry is experimenting with it.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

But I think we're starting to see, judging from the explosion initially in lithium ion and then exploding to a number of other form factors,

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

different chemistries for different applications and different applications demand different prices as well.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

In some cases, when you're powering data centers, you care about the volume of storage and you care about the price.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

In other cases, you care about the mass and mobility.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

And those are cases where lithium ion, lithium polymer probably still has an edge over iron air.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

Overall, I think this is very positive.