Dr. Anna Lembke

Let me start by saying it is wonderful to have emotional intimacy and people in your life you can reach to and

And interdependency and that we need each other and love each other and want to reach out to each other.

So that's obviously the wonderful starting point.

But what you're getting at is really, really important.

And it's that moment that we cross from...

sort of mutual love and respect to, I'm actually using you to, as a drug, essentially, I'm using you to kind of help me modulate, you know, my emotions, which again, in and of itself is not necessarily bad because- Well, everyone's well, of course.

Yes.

And here's where the technology has become so destructive and insidious.

even just 20 years ago, if you wanted to reach out to your daughter living across town, I mean, essentially you had to go over there, right?

And it took a little bit of time and it took some effort.

Now with the devices, this reaching out really has become drugified.

Whether it's

And I do this too, you know, we're newly empty nesters and it's been very difficult for me to be at home without any kids there now.

And, you know, I kind of got to a point where I was like literally stalking my kids on Find My iPhone.

I love you.

And I'd be like...

My daughter was like doing an internship in D.C.

and I'm like, are you at a Goodwill in D.C.?

She goes, mom, that's weird.

Like, you know, I don't want you to use find my iPhone with me if you're going to like be stalking me.