Dr. Anna Lembke

Right.

We don't see that.

Even more importantly, that you lose some agency around your use.

And that even when you or others recognize it's problematic, you have trouble stopping.

Okay.

And when you're not using, you experience a lot of craving to use and a compulsion driven by that craving to want to do it again, even when you committed to not doing it.

Yeah, so we talked about these technological affordances that make digital media more addictive.

And kind of the big idea in Dokmin Nation is that we've essentially drugified everything.

Whether it's substances or behaviors or work or relationships, we've made it more accessible, more potent, you know, more novel, such that now we're vulnerable to get addicted to just about anything, including drugs.

things that we typically think of as healthy.

Like what?

Like reading, right?

Now we're like, oh, great, my kid's reading a book.

That's awesome.

But I can tell you, I and many of my patients have gotten addicted to various forms of reading.

But also things like human connection, as we talked about, right?

Like they're super healthy.

We need each other.

We need human connection.

But now we have these devices that are so...