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Dr. Anna Lembke

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1384 total appearances

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The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

In my clinical experience, kind of no matter the drug and no matter the sort of severity of the attachment,

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

If people can go for about three to four weeks, they generally, not always, but about 80% of folks feel better and experience less craving.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

But if they only go for two weeks or less, they do not typically get out of that vortex of craving.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

And then they don't also kind of, you know, believe in the experiment, right?

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

Because they feel like, oh, it didn't work for me.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

It's like, well, how long did you abstain?

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

Because it really needs to be long enough, you know, again, for those metaphorical gremlins to hop off and for sort of baseline reward to be reset.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

That's right.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

Exactly.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

And you're moving toward a good place.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

So it's reframing the dopamine fast or the abstinence trial as not denying ourselves a reward, but actually doing something healthy, moving toward a better life.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

Great.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

So getting back to dopamine fasting and the pleasure pain balance, we're encouraging people to abstain for a period of time, minimum four weeks, from their drug of choice to allow those gremlins to slowly hop off.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

It takes time so that homeostasis can be restored.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

But hypothetically, we can speed up that process by intentionally pressing on the pain side of the balance.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

So, for example, there are studies showing that people in withdrawal from alcohol and drug addiction, if they engage in vigorous exercise, they can decrease the symptoms of withdrawal.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

They can get to a place where they're feeling more of a strong recovery, and they can actually prevent or decrease their risk of relapse just by engaging in exercise.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

Why?

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

Well, again, using this metaphor to sort of visualize what might be happening in the brain is that if we intentionally now press on the pain side of the balance, those gremlins, those metaphorical gremlins will go to the pleasure side and we can get our dopamine indirectly by paying for it up front.

The Mel Robbins Podcast
How to Get Motivated: #1 Dopamine Expert’s Protocol to Build Willpower & Get Things Done

And the classic example of this is the runner's high, right?