Dr. Annelu de Vries

And she pointed to one kid in particular.

And she pointed to one kid in particular.

Someone who could help us understand how the Dutch protocol worked.

Someone who could help us understand how the Dutch protocol worked.

What it was about this process and the kids who went through it that was so convincing to the rest of the world. So I guess we should find a car to go after.

What it was about this process and the kids who went through it that was so convincing to the rest of the world. So I guess we should find a car to go after.

From the New York Times, I'm Austin Mitchell. This is The Protocol with Azeen Qureshi.

From the New York Times, I'm Austin Mitchell. This is The Protocol with Azeen Qureshi.

Yeah, and if there's anything that you're like, you don't want to be public or that... There are not a lot of people in Manon's life who know the role she played in Analu's study.

Yeah, and if there's anything that you're like, you don't want to be public or that... There are not a lot of people in Manon's life who know the role she played in Analu's study.

But as one of the first kids to go through the Dutch protocol, she's had some experience with the media, including one where she said her full name was published without permission.

But as one of the first kids to go through the Dutch protocol, she's had some experience with the media, including one where she said her full name was published without permission.

So we've agreed to use only her first name.

So we've agreed to use only her first name.

Manon's experience going through the Dutch protocol, along with the other kids Anneloo studied, was captured in a handful of papers. There was Anneloo's seminal study. There were also a few other scientific articles that outlined in detail how the protocol worked.

Manon's experience going through the Dutch protocol, along with the other kids Anneloo studied, was captured in a handful of papers. There was Anneloo's seminal study. There were also a few other scientific articles that outlined in detail how the protocol worked.

And what Analu made clear in these papers was that clinicians who worked with gender dysphoric kids shouldn't push for any particular treatment outcome. The primary goal was to help them function better, so that they could go to school, get along with their friends and family. And for some kids, that might not mean medical intervention. That was about 30% of the kids they saw.

And what Analu made clear in these papers was that clinicians who worked with gender dysphoric kids shouldn't push for any particular treatment outcome. The primary goal was to help them function better, so that they could go to school, get along with their friends and family. And for some kids, that might not mean medical intervention. That was about 30% of the kids they saw.

Honolulu wrote that some of the kids who came in were gay and thought that transitioning might help them feel more accepted. Others had psychological issues that needed to be dealt with first. She also talked about kids with autism spectrum disorder, which was about 10% of the kids referred to the clinic.

Honolulu wrote that some of the kids who came in were gay and thought that transitioning might help them feel more accepted. Others had psychological issues that needed to be dealt with first. She also talked about kids with autism spectrum disorder, which was about 10% of the kids referred to the clinic.