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Dr. Arthur Lee

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65 total appearances

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All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

Even though we created what is purportedly a lie detector, the validity of it has shortcomings, and it's actually being confounded with other things like financial interest or selfishness, those kind of things.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

So this is us saying, if you just focus on improving the accuracy, these are the things you're going to miss.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

So if you build a lie detector in the lab, who knows what's going to happen in the real world when there are other things that are confounded with lying.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

So then we move on to the third part of the task where, which is, it's not really a task, but essentially we say, we have a way to balance out the signals in the brain such that we can make the confounding signals of selfishness cancel each other out in the brain while retaining most of the predictive power of lie versus non-lie trials.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

So this is a bit of a statistical trick that we used to say, we want to build a model

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

that can predict lie versus no lie in the first task as much as possible while staying true to the constraint, the statistical constraint that you should not be able to distinguish selfish versus non-selfish trials at all.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

That actually works pretty well.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

You're able to remove this selfishness contrast from the brain while still retaining your ability to detect lie versus non-lie trials.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

This is not to say that we now have a lie detector.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

But this is to say, look, we created a lie detector, we identified a confounding process, and we were able to subtract the confounding process, so hopefully we now have a more purified version of lying, or a mental construct of lying.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

If you have other concerns, other things that can be confounded with lying, you can now construct an experiment, subtract those out, and we can keep playing this game until either one of two things happen.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

One is we remove all confounding process and somehow we're left with this pure lying signature, which means that there is a neural signature that is uniquely tied to lying.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

Or we end up in the second scenario where if we remove enough confounding processes, we don't have anything left and lying is just an amalgamation of all these processes.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

We don't know the answer to that, but I think the main benefit of the study was that we opened the doors to make this validity problem somewhat tractable, solvable with incremental research.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

there are certain well-known activities that have a designated brain area that is very easy for you to tell.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

Like motor activity when you're moving your arms and hands or when you're seeing stuff, there are like entire courtesies that is dedicated to vision and motor.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

So when you see activity there, that's pretty clear that somebody is trying to move or is moving or somebody is seeing.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

When you get into more higher level constructs like love, emotions, planning, learning, they inherently recruit multiple areas of the brain.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

So now you need to balance multiple signals across the brain to see if you can weigh the evidence.

All In The Mind
How to catch a liar (it's harder than you think)

So there's that difficulty.