Dr. Aseem Malhotra

right right and when you look at all the data so that was the first sort of bit that i was okay some might even be protective like some of the dairy fat well we know now yes there is there is some suggestion that dairy fat could be protective absolutely so there's all that and then coming back to the ldl by the way you're not alone on this i mean there was a major paper published by darsh mazafarian from tufts and others looking at butter and yeah and actually showing that there really wasn't evidence that

So Mark, this is what's interesting.

That article I wrote, because it creates such a, you know, a lot of headlines and backlash or whatever else.

That's when people like Darius started looking at this again.

So it was all really from the back of that BMJ piece.

It all came together.

So then everybody's like, you know, and at the time I was writing just a commentary, which was peer reviewed, but I could have got it wrong.

I could have.

But I was like, you know what?

There's enough here for me to provoke the thoughts.

Right.

And then it all got proven that, you know, what I'd written had validity, right?

Which is good.

But the other aspect of this, if we go back and you mentioned cholesterol, so is high cholesterol a risk factor for heart disease?

And is LDL a cholesterol risk factor for heart disease?

So you have to go back to square one, right?

So these are the framing of studies that,

You know, started in Massachusetts in 1948 and went over decades looking at thousands of people where a lot of risk factors emerged for heart disease, whether it's diabetes, high blood pressure, smoking, for example.

And cholesterol.

And high cholesterol, right?