Dr. Aseem Malhotra

And the other one is curiosity.

So ultimately it comes down to character.

Yeah.

And we've got a system over the years that has become more and more corporatized, right?

You have in America, sadly, you know, and I consider this my, honestly, I'm, you know, I consider America my second home.

So I have a lot of love for America and the American people because I have relatives here and I've been here a lot.

But you have now the highest healthcare expenditure in the developed world over $4 trillion with the worst health outcomes.

Oops.

Right.

So, so, so what's happened is, you know, because of all of this situation around corporate capture.

So, you know, the, the counter, of course, from a philosophical point of view is that living a life in darkness is,

has no meaning.

Yeah.

And we need to get people out of the, of this darkness to understand the root of the problem.

Yeah.

No, fascinating.

And it makes sense, but also interesting.

Something else that I came across in the last few years, which you'll find fascinating, Mark, and I don't know if you know this, David Diamond, who's a cholesterol researcher, published a paper

I can't remember which journal it was in very recently.

And they looked at the primary prevention randomized control trials done obviously by the drug companies and secondary prevention trials.