Dr. Aseem Malhotra

So then you pick up, so then the next stage is, okay, so if you accept this as a pretty solid framework for improving patient outcomes,

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if there's anything wrong with one or all of these, at best, you're going to get suboptimal outcomes, and at worst, you're going to do harm.

So in terms of these inputs, right?

So if we just take the best available evidence, and I've just said already, John, I need this.

Okay, most published research finding their faults, etc.

You know, you've got Richard Horton, editor of The Lancet, in 2015, writing an editorial saying that...

Possibly half the published literature is simply untrue.

It's not just John and Anita saying this.

So what happens ultimately is doctors invariably are making clinical decisions for patients on biased, not saying completely false, biased and corrupted information, which invariably will exaggerate the benefit and safety of those drugs because that's in the interest of the drug industry who want to get as many people taking them because their only interest is profit.

They're not here to give you the best treatment.

So once you acknowledge all of that, then it's for me and as a cardiologist and as an expert who has spent a decade.

And actually, you know, the way I would just summarize that is medical knowledge is under commercial control, but most doctors don't know that.

Right.

That's right.

And that's what we're trying to sort of get them to think outside the box.

Because again, I 100% agree with you.

Most healthcare professionals, most doctors genuinely want to help their patients and are well-intentioned.

And actually, you know, I'm very proud of being a doctor because I think of all the professions...

I know things are changing and we have to protect our profession.

I think we are people that actually have some of the strongest ethical principles, right?