Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson

But it still remains true that we have the solutions we need.

It was right the fuck there.

I re-interviewed Abby Dillon.

Abby runs Earth Justice.

Love it.

sues the federal government for violating its own environmental laws basically um like the clean air act no we actually have a right to clean air you guys you gotta enforce this etc and so they in addition to suing this administration are doing what's called project phoenix which is you know the mythical bird rising from the ashes if they're gonna burn it all down

What are we going to rebuild?

And so this is absolutely a time for that kind of imagining, right?

If we are being forced into a bit of a blank slate, like let's be creative about the kinds of policies, laws, regulations, societal structures that would help us get to where we need to go.

And a lot of organizations are in this phase.

You know, doing the split between like the defensive work of like hold the line as much as we can and like planning for the next window of opportunity to open or, you know, force it open.

Because there are some things people agree on, like across the political spectrum, people want clean water.

And they don't want a lot of data centers in their communities, right?

And they want the green jobs no matter who they vote for.

They want those good jobs in their communities.

So there's a lot of opportunities still to move things forward.

And we've got to just find that possibility.

I mean, there's like a serious drill baby drill contingent of voters, the Republican Party.

Yeah.

It's almost like an own the libs backlash kind of thing.