Dr. Bethany Marshall

saw themselves as a potential victim, rather than thinking about all the victims in the classroom.

Nancy, university students, especially women between the ages of 18 and 22, are notoriously targeted for rapes and crimes.

We know this about college campuses.

So the fact that they did not even use their own internal risk assessment procedure to protect these victims, it's just shocking.

and that he felt like a piece of meat, he had no emotions.

When he hugged his family members, he didn't feel anything.

Nancy, this is actually a profound refusal to put their thoughts together about what was happening at their university.

They looked at all the evidence, they talked about it, they had meetings, everything was documented, but there was a profound lack of a willingness to think.

to think about the students, to protect the students.

Their fear of being sued was so self-serving.

I mean, they prioritize that

over women who are potentially raped.

They're worried about themselves.

Like Melissa Koberger, she's worried about her family.

She's not talking about the victim's families.

Like all these photos that are being released online, these ghoulish people who are going to exploit the photos are thinking about themselves.

They're not thinking about the family.

There is a profound

Disconnect, Nancy.

People are dissociating from the reality of what really happened during that crime.