Dr. Bradley Thayer

That's the missing piece of the puzzle here.

Can that actually come about without having the theocracy murder their own people in greater numbers than Sam identified, which is shocking, or have Iran devolve into civil war?

So we might begin thinking about situations like Iraq in 1991, where we're going to have to have a semi-permanent no-fly zone, where we're going to have to have dedicated military assets to ensuring that Iran stays together as a country if we want it to stay together.

that the theocracy cannot kill its own people, and that the humanitarian needs of the Iranian people are going to be addressed.

So the conduct of the war is ongoing, obviously, a lot to focus on in the days and likely weeks to come.

But the consequences of this are going to be profound, obviously, for the US, the region,

and Iran.

Steve, it's wonderful to have a nice few summers day here in Sydney, Australia.

There's no shortage of sun.

No doubt about that.

Oh, I thought it was very insightful, Steve.

But I think there's problems with limited strikes in Iran, limited attack options.

We're not going to solve the problem that Trump seems, if he resorts to the military instrument, if he uses force, that is only going to be solved by major attack options.

A broader target set, going after the leadership, going after Republicans, essentially the military

and elements of the nuclear program, which means to remain as well as ballistic missiles and other military targets.

So a limited attack option has tremendous disadvantages.

It's not solving or addressing the problem that would be solved, that the military tool solves best.

So as Matt Boyle has stressed on your program multiple times, diplomacy is still on the table.

And President Trump, you never box him in, of course.

You never predict what President Trump is going to do.